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  "Sugar and Spice
Posted by: dave gotzmer - 07-17-2019, 06:46 PM - Forum: Artistic and Creative Flies - Replies (4)

...and all things nice.  That's what little girls are made of."

This is an older dressing that came together in my mind as naturally as spreading a warm dinner roll with butter.  A photo of one of our Canadian tiers daughters inspired the dressing.  I still have this fly and remain proud of it.  There's a couple of nuances that get swallowed up in the whole
- there's one turn of orange and light blue hackle at the throat.  They hardly show but they make a difference
- the rosy pink wing sides are hackle tips taken from the body feathers and the blue cheeks are special
- the thin/short yellow olive roof is important.  

A few things to grouse about but plenty to like .  Watcha think ?

dave



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  Brookie streamers
Posted by: 2ndmillion - 07-16-2019, 12:02 PM - Forum: Classic Wet Flies - Replies (10)

Mr Walker’s comments got me researching Lew Oatman’s streamer patterns. I found a variant tied by Steve Labrocque that I liked and then gave Oatman’s a go. I do prefer Labrocque’s pattern out of the two. Needless to say, my dots got a little out of control. The original Oatman design is the top and the variant is the bottom streamer.

Regards,

Marty

   

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  Use of "The Real Thing" or "Subs"
Posted by: CSFT II - 07-13-2019, 10:46 AM - Forum: Classic Salmon Flies - Replies (6)

In my 'Silver Jock Scott' post of the other day...discussion came up about the of various materials used by us in our flies and that gave me pause for thought...so I decided to put some of my personal thinking on this out in the open for discussion.

I'll start with the new classic salmon tying group I've been part of for the last few months...The Valley Forge Classic Salmon Fly Guild. There are 16 names on the email list at this time...12 of whom are to be considered active members. Of those 12...4 are experienced tyers and the others are rookies with a strong desire to learn about tying these flies, elevating their tying skills and to be a part of this small niche of the fly tying world. Part of their learning experience is focused not just on techniques, but very much on the materials as well.

So what do you tell these beginners? I for one make it clear to them that there is no harm/no foul if subs are used for some of the exotic feathers. Obtaining the real thing can not only become all consuming, but will no doubt be expensive (!!!!) Should they choose to go the only the real deal route...that's fine. What I don't want to see happen is one guy sitting at the table who can and will go for it and the guy next to him who doesn't have the wherewithal to do the same step away from tying these flies because he feels he isn't doing things with the proper and traditional feathers...maybe even a little embarrassed because he cannot do what someone else is doing.

Therefore I suggest some possible approaches I am giving to these guys......

First - For the beginner...encourage the use of subs and make it clear there is nothing wrong with that. The idea is to keep the interest of the tyer in the flies we are working on, and the techniques required to tie them. Use of quality materials are a major factor, not their bird of origin.

Second - As the tyers progress, they can begin to search for and try to get the things they feel are most important or they need. Do so only through reputable purveyors like John McLain among others...but again use of subs is fine and some folks might consider doing that more ethical.

Finally - For me personally I'm happy to say I have an adequate supply of very fine materials and I probably should use them more often that I do. Good lord I'm going to be 71 in a few months...so why not eh? I have a hook in the vise right now and as I ponder what materials to use I should reread what I just typed Rolleyes  Like I tell those rookies however...no harm no foul using subs. We shall see.

Please feel free to speak your mind on this folks.....

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  #2 in the series...Silver Jock Scott
Posted by: CSFT II - 07-11-2019, 12:27 PM - Forum: Classic Salmon Flies - Replies (13)

Well...I said I was going to tie the four flies that make up the Jock Scott series of flies...and I finally finished the second one. I've tied worse and I've tied better and as I've done of late I post the fly without going to heavy on the preening...in the raw if you will. The materials are a mix of subs and the real thing by intent. Although you'd think at my age I'd just go ahead and use up the real stuff whenever I can...but somehow I only do so when the mood moves me. I always use the best of hooks though...in this case a Ronn Lucas, Sr. Jock Scott model size 4/0.

I've also attached a quick hand held shot of part of the wing. Please take note of the Kori Bustard between the red, yellow and blue strips. Those fibers are John McLain's newest subs. The pictures say a lot, but in real life I defy anyone to tell them from natural Kori once they are in place. I left them in on the finished fly...plus the use of his Florican sub followed by his Golden Pheasant tail sub...and I think they look great. As some of this stuff becomes harder and harder to acquire it is subs like these from John that will allow us to still tie these flies as close as possible to the original pattern without breaking the bank.

   

   

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  oddball color combo
Posted by: dave gotzmer - 07-10-2019, 06:05 AM - Forum: Artistic and Creative Flies - Replies (3)

The sky is the limit when it comes to color options if you're tying for fish like Artic Char, Salmon, and Steelies.  I remember a fall years ago when a chartreuse/yellow combo was the ticket for landlocked salmon. Go figure !  Likewise , in western Alaska, Char were drawn to the strangest colors imaginable.  And so on and so on.  Fact is that we have incredible freedom when it comes to color choices when we tie.

I still have this fly.  It was dressed with the classic "Trout Fin" in mind as well as Mr. Lucas's daring use of color.  I guess if I had to throw it in the water, I'd choose Canada's coastal Labrador as the place.  If you stare at it long enough, you might come to love it as I do.

dave



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  Low horned river fly
Posted by: dave gotzmer - 07-08-2019, 07:35 AM - Forum: General Fishing Flies - Replies (6)

Scarlet and B&G macaw supply the low slung horns on this fly.  They act as outriggers and add to the girth.  There's 9 embossed silver ribs and the Akroyd like hackle was added to the rear to provide better planing in the water.  There's two pics, one shows the horns elevated, perhaps showing the affect of water.  I never got to fish this fly but I met the gentleman who did Smile.  I've been taking more than my share of bandwidth in the General fishing flies forum.  I sure would appreciate if more folks would post their work.  Any thoughts ?

dave



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  Floodtide
Posted by: Don Walker - 07-07-2019, 05:22 AM - Forum: Classic Salmon Flies - Replies (9)

This is one of my classics...completing a bunch of hairwings then on to speys and more classics. Its great being a member on this site as I am always learning new tips from other obsessed fly tiers.    

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  New to the site
Posted by: Don Walker - 07-06-2019, 07:01 AM - Forum: Coffee and Fritters - Replies (5)

Introducing myself...Classic tier for many years and am always interested in learning new techniques and problem solving from other obsessed tiers. Generally I tie classics, speys, "working" featherwing and hairwing Atlantic Salmon flies, classic streamers, the occasional bomber and anything I find productive for my local trout streams. I have purchased materials from Feathers mc for years and have yet to try Ronns hooks... but soon...as I'm running low on the hooks I used to get from Gene Sunday. I have fished for Atlantics many times but its been a number of years since I have fished the Miramichi...my best fishing memories are of those years when I was a guest at a wonderful camp.

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  Happy July 4th !!!!
Posted by: CSFT II - 07-04-2019, 05:56 AM - Forum: Classic Salmon Flies - Replies (16)

I've posted this tie of mine before...but that's okay. Here in the U.S. we're celebrating our independence.

Happy 4th of July !!!!!!!!!!!!!

   

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  Fishing fly
Posted by: Troutmaddave - 07-03-2019, 05:22 PM - Forum: Classic Salmon Flies - Replies (5)

   



This one was for the flybox, but ended up in a frame as a gift. Sort of JS . Fishy looking on a 3/0 hook

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